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	<title>Comments on: NFL thinks dog torturing is fine, will let Vick play &#8211; ESPN</title>
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		<title>By: em</title>
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		<dc:creator>em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do have a point , wonder call. I also believe that the NFL is about money. 
Anyway, for those interested, here is a little something from the US humane society: &quot;Ask Nike to sever all ties with Michael Vick immediately, with an email to Nike President, CEO and Director Mark Parker&quot;: https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nike?qp_source=gaba7g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do have a point , wonder call. I also believe that the NFL is about money.<br />
Anyway, for those interested, here is a little something from the US humane society: &#8220;Ask Nike to sever all ties with Michael Vick immediately, with an email to Nike President, CEO and Director Mark Parker&#8221;: <a href="https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nike?qp_source=gaba7g" rel="nofollow">https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nike?qp_source=gaba7g</a></p>
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		<title>By: wonder cow</title>
		<link>http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2007/07/19/nfl-thinks-dog-torturing-is-fine-will-let-vick-play-espn/comment-page-1/#comment-33135</link>
		<dc:creator>wonder cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Besides I wouldn’t want to be the one to work in the next cube over from Michael Vick if we were both programmers at IniTrode. He might mess up a TPS report and strangle me like one of his puppies.&quot;

Humm..An office space reference. Do I know you sir?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Besides I wouldn’t want to be the one to work in the next cube over from Michael Vick if we were both programmers at IniTrode. He might mess up a TPS report and strangle me like one of his puppies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Humm..An office space reference. Do I know you sir?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had multiple jobs where employers have let people go because it became known they were arrested for drug and/or weapons offenses outside of the workplace. I see no difference with this situation. Legally it might be a grey area if the employee wanted to fight it. But in my mind it&#039;s part of the consequences of committing felonies.

Besides I wouldn&#039;t want to be the one to work in the next cube over from Michael Vick if we were both programmers at IniTrode. He might mess up a TPS report and strangle me like one of his puppies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had multiple jobs where employers have let people go because it became known they were arrested for drug and/or weapons offenses outside of the workplace. I see no difference with this situation. Legally it might be a grey area if the employee wanted to fight it. But in my mind it&#8217;s part of the consequences of committing felonies.</p>
<p>Besides I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the one to work in the next cube over from Michael Vick if we were both programmers at IniTrode. He might mess up a TPS report and strangle me like one of his puppies.</p>
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		<title>By: wonder cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonder cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The NFL position itself as an organization committed to public service and their players as role models.&quot;

And they should stop being such phonies. The NFL is about one thing: money. As far as I&#039;m concerned the league is trash and it would be no great loss if the whole thing went away over night.

&quot;Um…&quot;

Both of the cases you mention Miranda are based on more than just appearance of impropriety. There are safety issues, for students in the case of teachers, and for the public in the case of the police officers.

What is the danger of Vick continuing to play? Is he going to abuse dogs on the field?

The only danger is that the NFL is perceived in a negative light, as if they don&#039;t care about the fact that dogs were abused. Which, by the way, they don&#039;t.

It just amazes me how athletes are held to this type of standard while other high profile individuals, like actors for example, can get away with just about anything without anyone demanding they be fired (before they are found guilty).

What is it exactly about certain athletes (football, baseball, basketball) that compels us to couple their personal life so closely with what they do on the field\court?

IMO, they are being hit from two different camps: people who are really into sports (like our friend Bill), and people who don&#039;t like sports at all.

And just so there is no confusion, I love animals. Dog fighting, gamecock fighting, and strapping animals to the roofs of station wagons anger me also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The NFL position itself as an organization committed to public service and their players as role models.&#8221;</p>
<p>And they should stop being such phonies. The NFL is about one thing: money. As far as I&#8217;m concerned the league is trash and it would be no great loss if the whole thing went away over night.</p>
<p>&#8220;Um…&#8221;</p>
<p>Both of the cases you mention Miranda are based on more than just appearance of impropriety. There are safety issues, for students in the case of teachers, and for the public in the case of the police officers.</p>
<p>What is the danger of Vick continuing to play? Is he going to abuse dogs on the field?</p>
<p>The only danger is that the NFL is perceived in a negative light, as if they don&#8217;t care about the fact that dogs were abused. Which, by the way, they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It just amazes me how athletes are held to this type of standard while other high profile individuals, like actors for example, can get away with just about anything without anyone demanding they be fired (before they are found guilty).</p>
<p>What is it exactly about certain athletes (football, baseball, basketball) that compels us to couple their personal life so closely with what they do on the field\court?</p>
<p>IMO, they are being hit from two different camps: people who are really into sports (like our friend Bill), and people who don&#8217;t like sports at all.</p>
<p>And just so there is no confusion, I love animals. Dog fighting, gamecock fighting, and strapping animals to the roofs of station wagons anger me also.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...  if a police officer is involved in a shooting (meaning the officer shoots someone) then he or she is usually put on paid leave while the shooting is investigated.  Their superiors don&#039;t just take the shooter&#039;s word for what happened.  So, there&#039;s an example of when the employer takes a cautionary approach to something an employee does or may be suspected of.  Any time teachers are accused of anything, they get put on paid leave while the accusations are sorted out.   There&#039;s another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;  if a police officer is involved in a shooting (meaning the officer shoots someone) then he or she is usually put on paid leave while the shooting is investigated.  Their superiors don&#8217;t just take the shooter&#8217;s word for what happened.  So, there&#8217;s an example of when the employer takes a cautionary approach to something an employee does or may be suspected of.  Any time teachers are accused of anything, they get put on paid leave while the accusations are sorted out.   There&#8217;s another example.</p>
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		<title>By: em</title>
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		<dc:creator>em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder cow, I think is a different situation. The NFL position itself as an organization commited to public service and their players as role models. They say right there in their website &quot;For the National Football League, the game of football is about more than making plays on the field. It is about making them off the field as well. Our commitment to fans and the communities that support us does not end when the final seconds tick off the game clock. The NFL&#039;s commitment to public service is strong and has grown over the decades.&quot;  I believe that if you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk. I think the situation with Vick and the NFL is more like  a goverment official having to step aside after being indicted for corruption. The guilt has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt but the mere presence of the accused causes a serious embarassment to the organization and what stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder cow, I think is a different situation. The NFL position itself as an organization commited to public service and their players as role models. They say right there in their website &#8220;For the National Football League, the game of football is about more than making plays on the field. It is about making them off the field as well. Our commitment to fans and the communities that support us does not end when the final seconds tick off the game clock. The NFL&#8217;s commitment to public service is strong and has grown over the decades.&#8221;  I believe that if you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk. I think the situation with Vick and the NFL is more like  a goverment official having to step aside after being indicted for corruption. The guilt has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt but the mere presence of the accused causes a serious embarassment to the organization and what stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: wonder cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonder cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I just don&#039;t see what any of this has to do with football. I would hate to think that my employer could punish me just based on the fact that I have been accused of something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just don&#8217;t see what any of this has to do with football. I would hate to think that my employer could punish me just based on the fact that I have been accused of something.</p>
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		<title>By: em</title>
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		<dc:creator>em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think anyone that has a Atlanta Falcon Vick Jersey should mailed it back to the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anyone that has a Atlanta Falcon Vick Jersey should mailed it back to the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey Dahmer started out by torturing small animals.  Good to know the NFL doesn&#039;t think anything bad could come from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey Dahmer started out by torturing small animals.  Good to know the NFL doesn&#8217;t think anything bad could come from that.</p>
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