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		<title>By: Lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear rd1776,

You are a complete idiot, and a selfish one at that!- Who would choose not to have health insurance, unless money was an issue in their lives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear rd1776,</p>
<p>You are a complete idiot, and a selfish one at that!- Who would choose not to have health insurance, unless money was an issue in their lives?</p>
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		<title>By: rd1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>rd1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pathetic sob story.  Health insurance companies don&#039;t profit on illness - they lose money.  Why should any company be forced to take a loss on pre-existing conditions - only a Democrat moron would think of something like that.  Millions and millions of Americans will continue to either be uninsured or be under-insured because of their choice.  Employer-sponsored health insurance insulates employees from full cost, promotes overspending!  But labor unions would never give up that benefit would they?  

There is something immoral and distasteful about the fact that anyone (the healthy) be forced to give up a right of their own for another (obese slob) to benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pathetic sob story.  Health insurance companies don&#8217;t profit on illness &#8211; they lose money.  Why should any company be forced to take a loss on pre-existing conditions &#8211; only a Democrat moron would think of something like that.  Millions and millions of Americans will continue to either be uninsured or be under-insured because of their choice.  Employer-sponsored health insurance insulates employees from full cost, promotes overspending!  But labor unions would never give up that benefit would they?  </p>
<p>There is something immoral and distasteful about the fact that anyone (the healthy) be forced to give up a right of their own for another (obese slob) to benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: LBJ and Medicare &#171; Leftward</title>
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		<dc:creator>LBJ and Medicare &#171; Leftward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LBJ and&#160;Medicare  Posted on July 30, 2009 by flaminglib   On today&#8217;s anniversary of Medicare, it&#8217;s worth revisiting a 2003 piece on LBJ by Larry DeWitt&#8230; Probably the most revealing conversation regarding LBJ&#8217;s political values and sentiments as they related to Social Security and Medicare was an extended conversation he had with his Press Secretary, Bill Moyers. In this conversation, recorded on March 10, 1965, Johnson permits himself to reflect almost philosophically on his support for a provision in a pending bill which would provide a retroactive increase in Social Security payments. Moyers is arguing that the President should support the retroactivity clause because it will provide a stimulus to the economy. Johnson supports the provision, but he makes clear to Moyers that he does not see programs like Social Security and Medicare as being about economics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] LBJ and&nbsp;Medicare  Posted on July 30, 2009 by flaminglib   On today&#8217;s anniversary of Medicare, it&#8217;s worth revisiting a 2003 piece on LBJ by Larry DeWitt&#8230; Probably the most revealing conversation regarding LBJ&#8217;s political values and sentiments as they related to Social Security and Medicare was an extended conversation he had with his Press Secretary, Bill Moyers. In this conversation, recorded on March 10, 1965, Johnson permits himself to reflect almost philosophically on his support for a provision in a pending bill which would provide a retroactive increase in Social Security payments. Moyers is arguing that the President should support the retroactivity clause because it will provide a stimulus to the economy. Johnson supports the provision, but he makes clear to Moyers that he does not see programs like Social Security and Medicare as being about economics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that there something immoral and distasteful about the fact that health care is a for-profit industry anyway.  How do you make a profit on the illness and suffering of others?  Isn&#039;t that the definition of evil?

Or, for that matter, making a profit on the incarceration of others.  Or making a profit on children being removed from and/or losing their parents and becoming wards of the state.  

There are some things that just aren&#039;t appropriate for profit-making, even if it were true that they did it &quot;better&quot; or &quot;more efficiently&quot;.  The fact that they *don&#039;t* just makes it worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that there something immoral and distasteful about the fact that health care is a for-profit industry anyway.  How do you make a profit on the illness and suffering of others?  Isn&#8217;t that the definition of evil?</p>
<p>Or, for that matter, making a profit on the incarceration of others.  Or making a profit on children being removed from and/or losing their parents and becoming wards of the state.  </p>
<p>There are some things that just aren&#8217;t appropriate for profit-making, even if it were true that they did it &#8220;better&#8221; or &#8220;more efficiently&#8221;.  The fact that they *don&#8217;t* just makes it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh.c.mcbride</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh.c.mcbride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As President Barack Obama’s health care plan has been revised, rewritten and demonized, it has become increasingly clear that the status quo will remain. Insurance companies will be repaid for their investments in trying to kill the bill, and will continue to profit wildly. Millions and millions of Americans will continue to either be uninsured or be under-insured.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As we&#039;ve come to expect from you, this is a fantastic post, Bill. Your ability to address universal issues with a personal touch is why the Chronicles is a must-stop on my daily laps &#039;round the Internet.

I pulled out the quote above because I&#039;ve had the same realization over the past few days. I&#039;ve rarely been accused of being overly optimistic, but for a brief shining moment there (Obama in the Oval, 60 Dem senators) I thought we might actually be getting something real &amp; meaningful accomplished re: health care.

It&#039;s of course becoming more &amp; more obvious that that ain&#039;t gonna be the case, &amp; the paragraph above goes a long way toward expressing the obscenity of this failure. Ridiculous insurance company profits, millions of uninsured Americans, &amp; the only ones who can truly have peace of mind are those with a spare few hundred thousand stocked away.

I&#039;m really glad to hear that with all you &amp; your family had to endure during your mom&#039;s illness, continued struggles with finances weren&#039;t particularly egregious. Still, the fact that a relatively well-off woman had to purchase 1/2 prescriptions is a crime.

I know that &quot;Sicko&quot; got ignored in a number of circles as just another instance of Michael Moore being Michael Moore, but his central tenet -- it&#039;s not only the uninsured who are being screwed, but also those who actually *have* insurance, yet find they can&#039;t get their treatments funded -- oughta be etched in stone &amp; shouted from the rooftops.

&#039;Scuse me whilst I find a dark room to sit in &amp; sob quietly for a bit ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As President Barack Obama’s health care plan has been revised, rewritten and demonized, it has become increasingly clear that the status quo will remain. Insurance companies will be repaid for their investments in trying to kill the bill, and will continue to profit wildly. Millions and millions of Americans will continue to either be uninsured or be under-insured.</p></blockquote>
<p>As we&#8217;ve come to expect from you, this is a fantastic post, Bill. Your ability to address universal issues with a personal touch is why the Chronicles is a must-stop on my daily laps &#8217;round the Internet.</p>
<p>I pulled out the quote above because I&#8217;ve had the same realization over the past few days. I&#8217;ve rarely been accused of being overly optimistic, but for a brief shining moment there (Obama in the Oval, 60 Dem senators) I thought we might actually be getting something real &amp; meaningful accomplished re: health care.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s of course becoming more &amp; more obvious that that ain&#8217;t gonna be the case, &amp; the paragraph above goes a long way toward expressing the obscenity of this failure. Ridiculous insurance company profits, millions of uninsured Americans, &amp; the only ones who can truly have peace of mind are those with a spare few hundred thousand stocked away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad to hear that with all you &amp; your family had to endure during your mom&#8217;s illness, continued struggles with finances weren&#8217;t particularly egregious. Still, the fact that a relatively well-off woman had to purchase 1/2 prescriptions is a crime.</p>
<p>I know that &#8220;Sicko&#8221; got ignored in a number of circles as just another instance of Michael Moore being Michael Moore, but his central tenet &#8212; it&#8217;s not only the uninsured who are being screwed, but also those who actually *have* insurance, yet find they can&#8217;t get their treatments funded &#8212; oughta be etched in stone &amp; shouted from the rooftops.</p>
<p>&#8216;Scuse me whilst I find a dark room to sit in &amp; sob quietly for a bit &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dgun</title>
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		<dc:creator>dgun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snips from a 2005 CBO report
&lt;blockquote&gt;The federal government spent more than $25 billion on health-related R&amp;D in 2005. Only some of that spending is explicitly related to the development of new pharmaceuticals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;By standard accounting measures, the pharmaceutical industry consistently ranks as one of the most profitable industries in the United States.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The effect of health insurance on drug companies’ revenues—combined with strong patent protection that helps firms maintain higher prices&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/76xx/doc7615/10-02-DrugR-D.pdf

A point I have made for years on web forums is that pharmaceutical research and development in the US is partially subsidized with US tax dollars, yet the pharmaceutical industry is allowed exclusive patents on new drugs for a period of 20 years.  If a pharmaceutical company directly benefits from taxpayer money in the R&amp;D of a new drug, the exclusive right to profit from the drug should be reduced to a max of five years.

Some will say this will discourage investment in R&amp;D. But I don’t think so. I believe that large labs will stay away from US tax dollars and use 100% private investment to fund their research, thus avoiding the reduced patent protection. This will open room in the market for smaller labs and startups that will compete with each for the freed tax dollars. Increasing the number of labs and smaller companies competing in this market will lead to increased innovation and ultimately lower costs for patients, IMO.

Still, talking about health care in this way is depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snips from a 2005 CBO report</p>
<blockquote><p>The federal government spent more than $25 billion on health-related R&amp;D in 2005. Only some of that spending is explicitly related to the development of new pharmaceuticals.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>By standard accounting measures, the pharmaceutical industry consistently ranks as one of the most profitable industries in the United States.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The effect of health insurance on drug companies’ revenues—combined with strong patent protection that helps firms maintain higher prices</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/76xx/doc7615/10-02-DrugR-D.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/76xx/doc7615/10-02-DrugR-D.pdf</a></p>
<p>A point I have made for years on web forums is that pharmaceutical research and development in the US is partially subsidized with US tax dollars, yet the pharmaceutical industry is allowed exclusive patents on new drugs for a period of 20 years.  If a pharmaceutical company directly benefits from taxpayer money in the R&amp;D of a new drug, the exclusive right to profit from the drug should be reduced to a max of five years.</p>
<p>Some will say this will discourage investment in R&amp;D. But I don’t think so. I believe that large labs will stay away from US tax dollars and use 100% private investment to fund their research, thus avoiding the reduced patent protection. This will open room in the market for smaller labs and startups that will compete with each for the freed tax dollars. Increasing the number of labs and smaller companies competing in this market will lead to increased innovation and ultimately lower costs for patients, IMO.</p>
<p>Still, talking about health care in this way is depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: connecticutman1</title>
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		<dc:creator>connecticutman1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Wolfrum. I noticed you put it up at TPM as well (I rec&#039;ed it when I read it. :). Would you consider posting it at &lt;a href=&quot;http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ePluribus Media&lt;/a&gt;? If you do, I&#039;ll gladly bump it to the front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Wolfrum. I noticed you put it up at TPM as well (I rec&#8217;ed it when I read it. <img src='http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Would you consider posting it at <a href="http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/" rel="nofollow">ePluribus Media</a>? If you do, I&#8217;ll gladly bump it to the front page.</p>
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