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		<title>By: LT Saloon&#160;&#124;&#160; Jesus H. Christ Cancels Healing Insurance For the Poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>LT Saloon&#160;&#124;&#160; Jesus H. Christ Cancels Healing Insurance For the Poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Following disappointing third-quarter projections, Christ has announced that he will only heal those that are both pure of heart and financially stable. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cowalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I updated the parable of the Good Samaritan--the Republican Samaritan--for right wing Americans.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16/135215/74</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I updated the parable of the Good Samaritan&#8211;the Republican Samaritan&#8211;for right wing Americans.<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16/135215/74" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16/135215/74</a></p>
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		<title>By: cowalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty funny how rightwing American Christians never notice that Jesus wasn&#039;t concerned about liberty. He thought that a slave and a master could both be a good Christians. His call was to each individual to perform his own role in society according to the guidance provided by the parables, beatitudes and principles provided by Jesus. He had NO VISION of how a government should govern AT ALL. A beneficent ruler was fine with him. If the king wasn&#039;t beneficent, his subjects could still earn their salvation by being persecuted, and salvation was the point of everything. Democracy was completely off his radar. I can&#039;t imagine him endorsing a war against the British based on unfair taxation. And He certainly said nothing about economic systems. His vision was limited to the society He knew, where the individual was helpless under an occupying power. He was purely concerned with personal piety. 

There is really a basis for the right-wing claim that Jesus never meant for the government to provide a safety net. There is nothing about it in the Bible. The idea never occurred to him. He knew nothing beyond the concept of personal charity. He had no idea how a global economy would work, how powerfully industrialism would affect the environment or how complex and resource-devouring health care would become.

That&#039;s why I am puzzled by people insisting that they find the Bible so helpful on moral issues. It is on such a personal level that the Bible isn&#039;t any more helpful than any other religious document. All the religions say &quot;Love your neighbor as yourself.&quot; OK, how do I invest my money based on that principle? Am I obligated to invest only in morally worthy corporations? Should I work only for morally worthy corporations? ARE THERE any morally worthy corporations? Should I, as an American, give the money intended for my already privileged children&#039;s college educations to feed starving Somalians? What guidance does the Bible provide on matters of birth control, turning off life support, abortion, artificial insemination, and cloning? We have chosen to believe that Jesus didn&#039;t really meant it when He forbade divorce, because it simply isn&#039;t practical in a modern, mobile society where lifespans are long. Jesus had no problem with eating meat, but now that we have the luxury of not being on the edge of starvation and now that we know more about how animals experience the world, is it OK to buy meat, milk and eggs produced on factory farms? Do we have an obligation to consider animal suffering in making moral decisions? 

Should we really all try to perfect ourselves morally by giving away our possessions, studying religion and preaching to others? Clearly Jesus never intended for all his followers to do this, since it would leave the society in chaos. There had to be some people willing to jeapordize their salvation by focussing on raising food, building shelters, raising children, etc.  Or did there? Jesus seemed to think the world would end within a couple of generations.

Sure, people have been struggling with moral trade-offs for thousands of years, and that&#039;s never going to change. But I find the Bible so totally outdated that it is no help at all in figuring out what is moral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty funny how rightwing American Christians never notice that Jesus wasn&#8217;t concerned about liberty. He thought that a slave and a master could both be a good Christians. His call was to each individual to perform his own role in society according to the guidance provided by the parables, beatitudes and principles provided by Jesus. He had NO VISION of how a government should govern AT ALL. A beneficent ruler was fine with him. If the king wasn&#8217;t beneficent, his subjects could still earn their salvation by being persecuted, and salvation was the point of everything. Democracy was completely off his radar. I can&#8217;t imagine him endorsing a war against the British based on unfair taxation. And He certainly said nothing about economic systems. His vision was limited to the society He knew, where the individual was helpless under an occupying power. He was purely concerned with personal piety. </p>
<p>There is really a basis for the right-wing claim that Jesus never meant for the government to provide a safety net. There is nothing about it in the Bible. The idea never occurred to him. He knew nothing beyond the concept of personal charity. He had no idea how a global economy would work, how powerfully industrialism would affect the environment or how complex and resource-devouring health care would become.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I am puzzled by people insisting that they find the Bible so helpful on moral issues. It is on such a personal level that the Bible isn&#8217;t any more helpful than any other religious document. All the religions say &#8220;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#8221; OK, how do I invest my money based on that principle? Am I obligated to invest only in morally worthy corporations? Should I work only for morally worthy corporations? ARE THERE any morally worthy corporations? Should I, as an American, give the money intended for my already privileged children&#8217;s college educations to feed starving Somalians? What guidance does the Bible provide on matters of birth control, turning off life support, abortion, artificial insemination, and cloning? We have chosen to believe that Jesus didn&#8217;t really meant it when He forbade divorce, because it simply isn&#8217;t practical in a modern, mobile society where lifespans are long. Jesus had no problem with eating meat, but now that we have the luxury of not being on the edge of starvation and now that we know more about how animals experience the world, is it OK to buy meat, milk and eggs produced on factory farms? Do we have an obligation to consider animal suffering in making moral decisions? </p>
<p>Should we really all try to perfect ourselves morally by giving away our possessions, studying religion and preaching to others? Clearly Jesus never intended for all his followers to do this, since it would leave the society in chaos. There had to be some people willing to jeapordize their salvation by focussing on raising food, building shelters, raising children, etc.  Or did there? Jesus seemed to think the world would end within a couple of generations.</p>
<p>Sure, people have been struggling with moral trade-offs for thousands of years, and that&#8217;s never going to change. But I find the Bible so totally outdated that it is no help at all in figuring out what is moral.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best thing I&#039;ve read on the healthcare debate. Ever.</description>
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		<title>By: William K. Wolfrum Chronicles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus H. Christ cancels Healing Insurance for the poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>William K. Wolfrum Chronicles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus H. Christ cancels Healing Insurance for the poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Following disappointing third-quarter projections, Christ has announced that he will only heal those that are both pure of heart and financially stable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Following disappointing third-quarter projections, Christ has announced that he will only heal those that are both pure of heart and financially stable. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS Janes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True -- they tend to used loaded guns. WWJD? Refresh the tree of liberty with a Glock or M-16 and some liberal blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True &#8212; they tend to used loaded guns. WWJD? Refresh the tree of liberty with a Glock or M-16 and some liberal blood.</p>
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		<title>By: William K. Wolfrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>William K. Wolfrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like a comment I got at TPM, which was, basically &quot;When Fundie Christians attack, they never use Christ&#039;s words.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like a comment I got at TPM, which was, basically &#8220;When Fundie Christians attack, they never use Christ&#8217;s words.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS Janes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant satire but, sadly, it would never be understood by the Bible-belting bleaters on the right. Were you to somehow force them to read it, they would probably think it was authentic, as I&#039;ve noticed they go temporarily blind at any section of the Old or New Testament which instructs them to help others, so they would have no idea what the original text said.

To hear some of these scriptural scholars, somewhere it says in Luke or Mark or Revelation that Jesus bitterly hated Muslims, notwithstanding the fact that Islam wasn&#039;t invented until six centuries after Jesus was crucified. But, as their political god Ronald Reagan once bungled a John Adams quote by declaring, &quot;Facts are stupid things.&quot; Imagine that line repeated with shiny-eyed pride by a woman with Lipton tea bags hanging off her hat, as if it were the ultimate debate-ending riposte as she adds, &quot;and only liberals care about stupid things!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant satire but, sadly, it would never be understood by the Bible-belting bleaters on the right. Were you to somehow force them to read it, they would probably think it was authentic, as I&#8217;ve noticed they go temporarily blind at any section of the Old or New Testament which instructs them to help others, so they would have no idea what the original text said.</p>
<p>To hear some of these scriptural scholars, somewhere it says in Luke or Mark or Revelation that Jesus bitterly hated Muslims, notwithstanding the fact that Islam wasn&#8217;t invented until six centuries after Jesus was crucified. But, as their political god Ronald Reagan once bungled a John Adams quote by declaring, &#8220;Facts are stupid things.&#8221; Imagine that line repeated with shiny-eyed pride by a woman with Lipton tea bags hanging off her hat, as if it were the ultimate debate-ending riposte as she adds, &#8220;and only liberals care about stupid things!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Woodbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Woodbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this time I thought I should be caring for the least among us.  But I really should have been worshiping profit margins.  Thank you for showing me the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this time I thought I should be caring for the least among us.  But I really should have been worshiping profit margins.  Thank you for showing me the way.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh.c.mcbride</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh.c.mcbride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... toldeth him to get off his lazy asseth and get a jobeth&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it turns out that, all those years, my parents were quoting the Bible to me, huh? 

Who knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; toldeth him to get off his lazy asseth and get a jobeth</p></blockquote>
<p>So it turns out that, all those years, my parents were quoting the Bible to me, huh? </p>
<p>Who knew.</p>
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